http://eggcorns.lascribe.net/forum Eggcorn Forum en http://backend.userland.com/rss http://eggcorns.lascribe.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=6944#6944 6944@http://eggcorns.lascribe.net/forum Topic: revisitism for recidivism Message: Not as funny, but also a possible eggcorn, is the word “recedivism.” There are half a thousand ghits for the word. Samples: A blog header: “But notification laws don’t lower recedivism rates by sex offenders” (http://savannahred.blogspot.com/2007/09 … -laws.html) A definition on a gaming board: “1.Recedivism : The behaviour of habitual criminal.” (http://www.pagalguy.com/forum/english-r … e-256.html) A summary of a report, summary on the National Center for State Courts web site: “The document proceeds to outline the optimal means by which these programs have been and may be placed into society as a means of curbing recedivism.” (http://www.ncsconline.org/WC/CourTopics … pic=ImpDri) Presumably some of these are just misspellings of recidivism. But the root word “recede” might be influencing a number of these slips. The person returning to jail “recedes,” they might be thinking, from free society. In favor of this influence might be this site: http://www.sexualoffenders.com/show/min … istry.html . The person writes “recedism,” leaving out a syllable and making the word sound more like recede. Also, note this site: “The results show that recedivism increases as time passes with rapists ranging from 7%-30% recedivism rate. Child molesters are more likely to recede with rates as high as 40%” (http://prisontalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2167479) The writer here uses the verb “recede” to refer to returning to prison. Sat, 05 Jul 2008 15:27:54 -0400 http://eggcorns.lascribe.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=6943#6943 6943@http://eggcorns.lascribe.net/forum Topic: Dept. of Connections << Dept. of Corrections Message: The eggcorn candidate contribution by klakritz, (revisitism << recidivism) left me laughing very loudly. It takes me back to playing the board game Monopoly as a kid and landing on the jail square (“just visiting”). After cleaning the coffee spray from my monitor screen, I thought I’d check the usage of “Department of Connections.” The image in my mind being that of prison convicts networking with each other to exchange trade secrets and contacts. I only got ghits( “Department of Connections” ) = 26. Most of the hits are copyrighted or trademarked usage. Some are intentional, for example; ”... the Department of Corrections, often referred to in Atlanta as the Department of “Connections,” is rife with political appointees.” But, there are a few legitimate slips, for example; ”...confirmed as the chair of the department of connections with South Korea.” (www.wilsoncenter.org/topics/pubs/WP52.pdf) It just occured to me that an OCR error could conceivably produce ‘Connections’ from ‘Corrections’. BTW, I am also reminded of old political arguments in favor of term limits and remarks about recidivism in the US Senate. Sat, 05 Jul 2008 14:07:37 -0400 http://eggcorns.lascribe.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=6942#6942 6942@http://eggcorns.lascribe.net/forum Topic: “want” for “wont” Message: Dixon Wragg wrote: DavidTuggy, I don’t see why it would matter whether the word is currently in common usage or not. In any case, “wont” in the phrase “as is his/her/my/your wont” is certainly in common usage, at least among certain factions of society. You are right, of course that the phrase (and thus in some degree the word) is not obsolete yet. And in a sense you’re right to question whether or not the commonness of an eggcornee (victim, T, whatever) is relevant. It gets back to some of the discussions about what differentiates eggcorns from (other) malapropisms. Classic malapropisms, as I understand them, are driven by ignorance of a word (or other structure); a person who does not know the word hears that word and mangles it or mixes it in his (or her) mind in such a way that when he (or she) tries to use it another word, ludicrously wrong, comes out instead. I hear the phrase “grand mal seizure”, and since I do not know the phrase “grand mal” I, in reproducing the phrase, say “grandma seizure” instead. In an eggcorn, it is at least less likely that sheer ignorance of the original word is determinative. When people say “point of you” instead of “point of view”, it is not (one suspects) that they do not know the word “view”, but just that they have not realized that it is being used in the phrase in question. Anyhow, I think those who write “as was his want” probably simply do not know there is a word “wont” established in other people’s minds. I don’t know if that clarifies things. I’m still trying, for myself, to decide what differentiates eggcorns from other malapropisms. Sat, 05 Jul 2008 12:09:53 -0400 http://eggcorns.lascribe.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=6941#6941 6941@http://eggcorns.lascribe.net/forum Topic: How does a contribution get added to the official eggcorn list? Message: I looked around the site and couldn’t find an answer to this, so forgive me if this is already answered somewhere, but how do contributions in the Contribute! section become “officially recognized” and get put on the list? Do “eggcorn officials” scan the posts and add those that meet certain criteria to the list? And, should I try to include entire quotes as well as dates and specific attributions to any eggcorns I mention? Thanks in advance for any responses. Sat, 05 Jul 2008 05:49:07 -0400 http://eggcorns.lascribe.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=6940#6940 6940@http://eggcorns.lascribe.net/forum Topic: “want” for “wont” Message: Oooooops, kem, I didn’t see it on the “Browse Eggcorns” list, or I wouldn’t have posted it. Somehow I overlooked it. Sorry, folks, for any redundancy. DavidTuggy, I don’t see why it would matter whether the word is currently in common usage or not. In any case, “wont” in the phrase “as is his/her/my/your wont” is certainly in common usage, at least among certain factions of society. Sat, 05 Jul 2008 04:24:31 -0400 http://eggcorns.lascribe.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=6939#6939 6939@http://eggcorns.lascribe.net/forum Topic: “taken back” for “taken aback” Message: From an email dated 8/15/05. Sat, 05 Jul 2008 04:12:44 -0400 http://eggcorns.lascribe.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=6938#6938 6938@http://eggcorns.lascribe.net/forum Topic: “sort of speak” for “so to speak” Message: I didn’t have that one, but two related ones: Yep, this is a long shot Gamble, soda speak, but perhaps someone out there has just the knowledge I seek. http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/t … -01/101371 The 50th anniversary of anything, in human terms anyway, is pretty remarkable! A lot of water under the bridge, soda speak. Music was a big part of our lives back then and collectively we were up on the hit parade. http://www.masonwilliams-online.com/news.html I am waiting, since 0800 this morning, on the arrival, installation, and breaking in of my new…stove! My old one gave out, as luck (soda speak) would have it, on Holy Saturday. I’m gettin’ way tired of the microwave! http://www.writing.com/main/books.php/i … SC/page/13 And a Helenism: shall we speak (blending “shall we say” with “so to speak”) Fri, 04 Jul 2008 23:42:27 -0400 http://eggcorns.lascribe.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=6937#6937 6937@http://eggcorns.lascribe.net/forum Topic: “sort of speak” for “so to speak” Message: Nice one! No, not unique: This new version of OpenOffice is truly incredible. I was, sort of speak, bought when it loaded my PhD thesis (written way back in 2001) with all equations and graphics, perfectly. http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/08/ea … -how-long/ I mean do you have celiac if you have the gene or can it be “sleeping” sort of speak? Yes. http://www.glutenfreeforum.com/lofivers … 25401.html About 6 months ago I was using the Movie DemoManager to create my movies, camera were working just fine… a jewel, sort of speak. Now I have some problems: I use custom rifles, and when I’m reproducing the Demo the weapon is not shown correctly on First Person view. It’s like the weapon does not follow the player moves. I turn and the weapon stays facing the same position it was. (Sort of speak it seems i only turn the player head). http://www.unrealadmin.org/forums/archi … 14014.html That last one, with two usages only a few lines from each other, is especially nice as bolstering the case that this is standard for the writer. And, Welcome! Fri, 04 Jul 2008 23:28:47 -0400 http://eggcorns.lascribe.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=6936#6936 6936@http://eggcorns.lascribe.net/forum Topic: “extraparametal symptoms” for “extrapyramidal symptoms” Message: If it were based on parameter, you would expect extraparametral, not extraparametal, wouldn’t you? Yet extraparametral got 0 ghits! (That’s harder to do than you might think!) Seriously, people often use parameter to mean “boundary, limit” rather than “dimension” or more orthodox mathematical senses, so I would have expected extraparametral ‘outside (the normal) boundaries’. (Of course in a few hours or days this post will give it a couple of ghits!) Fri, 04 Jul 2008 23:17:24 -0400 http://eggcorns.lascribe.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=6935#6935 6935@http://eggcorns.lascribe.net/forum Topic: “want” for “wont” Message: You’re right, I typed it wrong, then misinterpreted my mistyping. Fri, 04 Jul 2008 21:10:18 -0400 http://eggcorns.lascribe.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=6934#6934 6934@http://eggcorns.lascribe.net/forum Topic: words that aren’t dirty Message: hoecake! Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:24:35 -0400 http://eggcorns.lascribe.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=6933#6933 6933@http://eggcorns.lascribe.net/forum Topic: Eggcorn criteria Message: In response to DT’s last question, Calvert Watkins in the AHD of IE Roots says no—he derives ‘corn” from IE gre-no (the e is really a schwa, the r is really syllabic, and of course there should be a hyphen at the end)—meaning “grain.” The OED says that “acorn” is related to OE “aecer,” and Watkins derives the latter from IE agro—meaning “field.” But there’s a flaw in the ointment: CW doesn’t seem to follow the OED in its derivation of “acorn” from OE “aecer.” He derives it from IE og (macron over the o)—meaning “fruit, berry” (and related to Latin “uva” for grape, and our “uvular”). And there isn’t an indication in either entry that we should see the og and agro roots as being related. [Later edit after a phone call: If I had a more exhaustive source to work with, it’d be interesting to see if anyone else thinks some of the roots listed above are actually related—I don’t know how much difference of opinion may be hidden here. But Watkins’ annotations are necessarily minimal.] Fri, 04 Jul 2008 18:38:24 -0400 http://eggcorns.lascribe.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=6932#6932 6932@http://eggcorns.lascribe.net/forum Topic: wait on somebody hand in foot Message: There are a lot of cases of in for and and vice versa. This one is special, for me. vanessa still got them wait for her hand in foot lol. Well, as I observed Mexican men and women graciously waiting on me hand in foot for meager wages in a Mexico resort, it brought me to realize While they weren’t waiting on you hand in foot for, they did have to bust their butt to get your order together and ready. teaching their children that the world and those in it aren’t here to wait on them hand in foot. He will want to stay laid down for awhile…LET HIM, please wait on him hand in foot, he actually DOES NEED TO BE BABIED during this portion, he maintained his unfriendly demeanor with us while waiting hand in foot on a business group in the corner. Not sure why, but this feels similar to me to waiting on somebody “hat in hand”. It’s a funny picture, though. Related, but not the same eggcorn (for me, anyway) hand in foot disease She enjoyed playing a card game from her youth called hand-in-foot. they have been fighting hand in foot over this (The last one may have been aiming at “hand to hand” or at “tooth and nail” or both. Fri, 04 Jul 2008 18:25:14 -0400 http://eggcorns.lascribe.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=6931#6931 6931@http://eggcorns.lascribe.net/forum Topic: “want” for “wont” Message: Huh? Wont adj means (meant) ‘accustomed to, tending to’, and wont n. means ‘habit, established custom’. ‘Lack’ is the older meaning of want. Not? We tend to establish habits or customs of doing things we want or going after things that we lack, so the meanings are closely established metonymically, which helps account for them both fitting in some of the same contexts. Fri, 04 Jul 2008 17:54:23 -0400 http://eggcorns.lascribe.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=6930#6930 6930@http://eggcorns.lascribe.net/forum Topic: “want” for “wont” Message: This eggcorn is already in the database: http://eggcorns.lascribe.net/english/123/want/ As the discussion there notes, the core meanings of the words that are switched are not close (wont=lack, want=desire). In the context of the idiom (“as was his X”), however, the meanings draw closer (as his desire led him, as his need forced him). Fri, 04 Jul 2008 17:20:20 -0400