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#1 2007-02-11 10:40:59

Peter Forster
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in flagrante derelicto/delicio (delicto)

in flagrante delicto – 113,000 googlehits
in flagrante derelicto – 50 googlehits
in flagrante delicio – 69 googlehits

I’m particularly fond of anglicised Latin expressions, where new meanings are imposed whenever the original appears to have fallen a bit short on clarity. These two examples may, perhaps, represent two contrasting responses to the substance of the original; one reads dereliction of duty and possibly shame into the expression, while the other ignores any embarrassment and sees only pleasure – delicious!
(In support of the latter notion – I’ve just checked – there are 279 ghits for “in fragrante delicto”)

Clarke Coounty [AL] Journal, November 1862-January 1865Mr. Anderson then returned, noiselessly entered the house, and discovering the deceased in bed with his wife, flagrante delicio, he fired upon him twice …
www.uttyler.edu/vbetts/clarke_co_al.htm – 212k – Cached

A young girl, Maria, is caught in flagrante delicio with her lover by Father Vicente, who belongs to the nearby Serreda Iris cloister. ...
www.pinnacle-entertainment.co.uk/produc … ctID=62927 – 39k – Supplemental Result – Cached

But now, now we can’t escape it, the door is open and pants around ankles, the Greatest Superpower In The Worldâ„¢ is caught in flagrante derelicto—...
bellatrys.livejournal.com/6917.html – 118k – Supplemental Result – Cached

More so were the individuals who put up pictures of themselves flagrante derelicto with their partners. What was the point? The secret desire of voyeurism? ...
blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.ListAll&friendID=85683&MyToken=2ddff35d-1d38-4089-927c… – 19k – Supplemental Result – Cached

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#2 2007-02-11 18:07:42

fishbait1
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Re: in flagrante derelicto/delicio (delicto)

A strange fact—in Spanish the hybrid expression “in fraganti” is standard, and the Royal Academy considers other usages to be wrong:

La expresión española in fraganti es deformación de la locución latina in flagranti. La forma latina pura no se usa nunca, mientras que la deformada es, en español, la normal y la que figura en todos los diccionarios. No se consideran válidas en español otras variantes alteradas como *en fraganti, *in fragante, *in fragranti. La RAE considera válido el uso del adverbio simple infraganti derivado de la expresión in fraganti.

My translation: The Spanish expression “in fragranti” is a deformation of the Latin locution “in flagranti.” The pure Latin form is never used [in Spanish], while the altered form is the normal one found in all dictionaries. Variants such as “en fragranti,” “in fragante,” “in fragranti” are not considered valid. The Royal Spanish Academy considers the use of the simple adverb “infraganti” [one word] to be valid. . .

What one would expect would be either the Hispanicized “en fragrante” or “en fragante,” or the original Latin.

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#3 2010-12-04 21:32:56

burred
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Re: in flagrante derelicto/delicio (delicto)

A friend sent around an e-mail about something that was “fragrantly wrong”. He is hispanophone, so that may explain it. But anglophones can also find rank errors.

Sociology
when the individual is called upon to return to himself, in order to become emancipated from pressure, briefly, when the ‘social I’ is characterised as the ‘superficial I’, as opposed to the ‘profound I’ … a fragrant error of analysis is committed”

Board
Blatant advertisement is frowned upon even by long standing members (glances at Marbro) nevertheless a nooblit that comes on and his first post is so fragrantly wrong.

Evolution debate
Wrong, fragrantly wrong. The odds of shuffling the deck into any one predetermined arrangement is exactly the same as for any other predetermined arrangement.

One more perfumed delinquent

Video tribute
I support you Barack, don’t listen to negativity! If it turns out John Edwards was in some fragrant delicto in that Beverly Hills Hotel, its no reflection on a family man like yourself.

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#4 2010-12-04 22:12:43

DavidTuggy
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Re: in flagrante derelicto/delicio (delicto)

fishbait1 wrote:

A strange fact—in Spanish the hybrid expression “in fraganti” is standard, and the Royal Academy considers other usages to be wrong:

Strange indeed. I did not know this. And you are right, the greatest oddness is the combination of huge restructuring in the initial and medial consonant clusters, combined with the pedantic Latinity of the preposition and ending.
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The cluster restructuring is reminiscent of words like peligro from Latin periculum (where you might have expected rather * periglo .)


*If the human mind were simple enough for us to understand,
we would be too simple-minded to understand it* .

(Possible Corollary: it is, and we are .)

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#5 2011-12-27 12:12:03

kem
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Re: in flagrante derelicto/delicio (delicto)

Arnold Zwicky, I see, analyzed flagrant >> fragrant in 2009 (between the two discussions on this forum).


Hatching new language, one eggcorn at a time.

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#6 2011-12-27 13:18:28

burred
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Re: in flagrante derelicto/delicio (delicto)

Fragrant and delicio.

Si maritus uxorem, & adulterum in fragrant delicio adulterii occidit, an fint ifti in fepultura Eccefiaflica fepeliendi p 303 11.199 in fine.
Machine having a bit of a lark with its reading in the Collegii Salmanticensis … cursus Theologiae Moralis, from Venice of 1750

Still, the original does say in fragranti delicto. So does this one.

Sic Parochus repertus in fragrant delicio cum muliere in domo parochiali, extrahi potuit per Episcopum ad effectum correctionis
Рrompta Bibliotheca canonica juridica moralis theologica, from 1782

Perhaps the typesetters were Spanish.

Last edited by burred (2011-12-27 13:34:19)

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